The Bahais have a weird habit of denying truth and reality. One of the many Bahai denials is that bahai apologists insist that there is no clergy in Bahaism. They seem to forget that the uhj, the institution within Bahaism that has the power to legislate laws, excommunicate, etc runs exactly like a clergy being it is a clergy.
Bahais like to insist that the clergy is a bunch of paid people who are given duties that are ritualistic and that the uhj is not doing rituals. But the simple fact remains that Bahais do regard the uhj as infallible, thus making them a special class of people with bahaism. Furthermore, the UHJ, as I mentioned before, is given the power to legislate and excommunicate people.
Bahais says : “Only the institution of the House of Justice is infallible, not the people who make it up.“
Our Reply : O.K. it means that 6 donkeys + 3 donkeys = 1 horse!!!. What a Logic!!-
Bahais says : “The House of Justice do not constitute a clergy because they are an elected body, not a group of professional priests or ministers.”
Our Reply :You are trying to redefine what clergy. For your information, the Webster dictionary defines clergy as:
“the official or sacerdotal class of a non-Christian religion”
The UHJ definitely falls in that category. Being elected or not is not the issue, and furthermore, the Pope for example is elected, thus making another hole in your extremely weak argument. The uhj is a class within bahais that are apart from the rest of “regular” bahais. Like I said before, they are given the power to legislate, excommunicate, etc. Regular bahais just can’t go and legislate and excommunicate people.
Reality proves beyond a doubt that the UHJ is a clergy.
Average Bahais do not have such powers and rights. Average Bahais are not considered infallible either.
So by definition, the UHJ being a special class of people in Bahaism that has the power to excommunicate, legislate, etc is CLERGY, no matter Bahais like it or not.
Why do Bahais continue to insist that they have no clergy? I believe it is because to make Bahaism more “palatable” to people who are fed up with the clergy of other religions. By covering up the fact that Bahaism has a clergy, it is just another example of the deceptive nature of this secular humanist cult dressed up in religious clothing.
If Bahaullah was intended to have a “World Government”, he would have been successful in creating it over 150 years ago when he was living.
Instead, how ironic it seems, Bahaullah was jailed, beaten, and exiled to Constanople Turkey (which by the way is where the creation of Jesus Christ took place with the Council of Nice and four other Councils starting in 325 B.C.), where he spent all of his life in bondage just like he did the black African slaves. Bahaullah was also diagnosed with a mental disorder, labeled crazy, laughed at by the majority of the people from his own Iranian/Persian country, and basically excommunicated-just like those former Bahais of today, who have searched for the truth concerning the Bahai writings, and came to find out that there are many contradictions in the Bahai writings, and many other Bahai writings are simply just not true.
So, These former Bahais were either excommunicated, or just left the faith on their own. However, there are still many blind people in the Bahai faith who think that they are right and the majority of the world is wrong. It’s just too bad that the Bahais are trying to seek truth with a lie. If the first Jesus was created (which he was) and never walked the earth as a human being, then Bahaullah absolutely can not be the second coming of Christ, but a man suffering from delusions of granduer. And, because both the Bab and Bahaullah enslaved other human beings, neither is a “perfect reflection of God” but ordinary human beings who have made mistakes in life just like the rest of us. And, God allowed the Bab to be shot up and killed, so that all people would know that the Bab and Bahaullah were both false prophets and were even denied by God Himself. The millenium always changes with the zodiac. The zodiac changes every 2000 years in accordance with their signs in the night sky. So, there can never be any mistake concerning when events will happen. We are about to experience a changing in the Zodiac-better known as “the latter days”. I can’t stand liars and deceivers, and the exiled Persian Bahais in America and Israel are nothing more than liars and deceivers who can not be trusted!
Let all non-baha’is realize the FALSE facade of ‘unity’ and ‘love for all people’ portayed by the BAHA’I universal House of Justice.
Please read my posts and one can deduce that Baha’is ARE NOT ABLE to answer logically- safe to make derogatory remarks.
INDIVIDUAL CONSCIENCE is NOT TOLERATED BY The Baha’i authority- BAHA’I universal HOuse of Justice—- this is discussed in details by Martin(Baha’i mathematician from Canada- member of the all male 9 members of BAHA’I Universal House of Justice).
Any Baha’i member with individual conscience is SUMMARILY threatened with expulsion and ostracized by his-her own Baha’i family.
Take a look at Shirin -Iranian Baha’i girl raped for a period of 10 years by her own Iranian Baha’i father (who has been a long standing chairman of the National Spiritual Assembly of Peru). In this case Martin and his 8 ‘divinely’ inspired members of BAHA’I universal HOuse of Justice decided to shut Shirin up for 3 years by KIDNAPPING HER IN Peru and placing her in a mental institution.
When Shirin complained bitterly, the ‘divinely inspired’ members of BAHA’I universal HOuse of Justice THREATENED Shirin-THE VICTIM- by blackmailing her and causing an unheard trick=== SPIRITUAL EXTORTION.
To many, the Baha’i cult is a dangerous PLAGUE – that plans to take over the world through a Middle Eastern Theocracy- whereby non-baha’is will be forced into financial ruin (through the laws of baha’i inheritance- THE AQDAS).
The Baha’i cult had in fact MISLEAD its own followers into believing that THE LESSER PEACE would be instituted by the end of the 20th century. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED
This STUPID prediction was based on the book of Daniel that was supposed to have occured in 1957 then re-written by Baha’is to occur by the end of the 20th century.
NOW, why do Baha’is refer so often to the Bible when at times, Baha’is do not believe that the Bible is entirely authentic. Baha’is choose what they want to portray- and make ‘fun’ of Christians for their belief in the physical ressurection.
Here is a link to Baha’i views on the “lack of authenticity of the HOLY BIBLE”=
Baha’u’llah is CAUGHT misquoting the Bible in the Gleanings- “As to the question raised by…in connection with Baha’u’llah’s statement in the ‘Gleanings’ concerning the sacrifice of Ishmael; although this statement does not agree with that made in the Bible, Genesis 22:9, the friends should unhesitatingly, and for reasons that are only too obvious, give precedence to the saying of Baha’u’llah, which, it should be pointed out, is fully corroborated by the Qur’an which book is far more authentic than the Bible, including both the New and Old Testaments. The Bible is not wholly authentic, and in this respect is not to be compared with the Qur’an, and should be wholly subordinated to the authentic writings of Baha’u’llah.”
(From a letter dated July 28, 1936 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to a National Spiritual Assembly
“…we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Baha’is, is that what has been quoted by Baha’u’llah and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.”
(From a letter dated January 23, 1944 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer)
The Baha’i CULT -an offshoot of Iranian Islam- SHI’ITE SECT- has REPEATEDLY tried to discredit the authenticity of the Bible- and then have turned around and have Baha’u’llah make statements that ARE NEVER FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
BEWARE THAT BEING FOULED INTO SUBMISSION BY BAHA’ISM would mean losing INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CONSCIENCE – despite Baha’i rhetoric of independent search for the ‘truth’.
I was doing some research and came across this site:
http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/founders.htm claims that these are prophecies:
Since I was raised Christian I’ll deal with the Christian “Prophecies”.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken; then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”— Matthew 24.29-31
That was referring to Jesus, the son of man and son of God were just titles
for him. I’m not sure if Jesus was God or if Christianity is even true anymore but that’s not the point- this was not a prophecies about Bahaullah.
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter… he shall teach you all things.” —
JESUS- John 14
He was talking about the Holy spirit. Whom he gave to his disciples when he allegedly rose from the dead. And if it is a prophecy about someone who came after him what about Muhammad?
“Him that overcometh… I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the… new Jerusalem… and I will write upon him my new name.” —
JESUS- Revelation 3
Well, Revelation is a book written by a mad man or it was talking about the Roman Empire or maybe Baylon empire using symbols and taken as a prophecy either way, no one sane takes this seriously.
I’m sure Muslims will have the same issues with the so called Islamic prophecies. So my question to the Bahais here, are they any actual prophecies about Bahaullah in the worlds religions or are you just interpreting religious writings to suit your religion?
Extracted from : http://panchgani-bahais.blogspot.com/2011/10/email-from-ex-student-of-new-era-school.html
Wednesday, 19 October 2011
Proselytizing Baha’i faith in schools is unethical and immoral
I was a student of New Era School and I will not hesitate in accepting that a full scale Proselytizing goes on in the school in the name of Children Moral Classes. To be honest I have to say here that I did accept the Baha’i Faith for a while for which I was given a declaration card to sign stating that I believe in Bahaullah and Abdul Baha. Therefore I was not at all surprised to see your blog which points towards the Baha’is Proselytizing the Faith to the tiny tots in the Schools in India in the name of Community development. The methods adopted by the Baha’is are dangerous and deceptive as the children are not mature enough and cannot realize what is the actual purpose of these courses. But the fact is that whatever Baha’is are doing is just the order of their apex organization the Universal House of Justice. To support my point, I am reproducing the following extract which has been taken from Baha’i newsletter, ‘Reflections on Growth’ – Number 25, August 2009, Page 6 Prepared under the auspices of the International Teaching Centre for the institution of the Counselors.
Universal House of Justice
Centre of Baha’i Faith in Israel
Ways of Proselytizing
Embrace the Cause
Accepting the Baha’i Faith
One of the methods of proselytizing
In describing an intensive program of growth, the Universal House of Justice in its 27 December 2005 message explained that the objective of the expansion phase was “to widen the circle of those interested in the Faith, to find receptive souls and to teach them.” The question that might arise is “What’s the best way to teach these souls?” This is answered in the same paragraph of that message: “Experience suggests that the more closely teaching approaches and methods are aligned with the capacity acquired from the study of the institute courses the more rewarding the results.”
When studying Ruhi Institute Book 6 “Teaching the Cause,” we learn to distinguish between sharing information about the Faith and conveying concepts that will help a seeker recognize the station of Bahá’u’lláh and embrace the Cause. The teaching method that participants strive to emulate is the one informally referred to as “Anna’s presentation.” This is offered as a model of how to teach the Faith directly, with the aim of inviting an individual to join the Faith at the end of the presentation. Believers all over the world have been striving to align their teaching approaches with the learning acquired in Book 6 and are recording outstanding results from this direct method of teaching.
A few words should be said in relation to the term direct teaching. Shoghi Effendi Characterized direct teaching as “an open and bold assertion of the fundamental verities of the Cause” whereas indirect teaching, he wrote, is “a less direct and more cautious method of teaching,” consisting of presenting……..
A well-prepared home front pioneer can affect the lives of many people and become the catalyst to rapidly accelerate the development of a community. One such sterling example is recounted below.
A curious 16-year-old noticed a group of people in another village studying together. When he inquired about what they were doing, he became intrigued by the quotations they were discussing and asked the tutor if a similar course could be held in his own village. He and the tutor arranged to carry out a 22-day institute campaign, and he made certain that his friends and relatives attended. However, this same youth was unable to attend the sessions regularly. He was determined to go through the full sequence of courses properly and was sent to the residential Intensive institute courses held at Panchgani.
The experience of this youth at Panchgani proved to be extremely useful because there the service component was emphasized, enabling him and his fellow participants to build different capacities. During his time there, that youth resolved to give three months of service to the Faith when he completed the sequence. After only a few days back home with his family, he left to serve as a short-term pioneer in a neighboring cluster.
In the beginning, this stalwart youth faced many challenges at his post. The participants of the first study circle he started were not serious. Then with another Bahá’í he taught the Faith to 10 people in a different locality. They started a study circle for those 10 and finished Book 1 in four days, but the participants did not attend regularly. Then they started having the classes weekly. Six participants went through the sequence of courses up to Book 6. Slowly he was learning to keep the participants motivated to go through the program.
This young pioneer also made sure that, along with studying the text of each book, his participants carried participants carried out acts of service. Thus, when they finished Book 1, he asked them to start devotional gatherings. After Book 3, he encouraged them to start children’s classes. Some of them joined him in teaching while going through Book 6.
Then the pioneer started another study circle in a third locality. There were four participants in this study circle who moved up through Book 3. Consequently, within months, this pioneer was directly working with 10 people: six in Book 6 and four in Book 3. But that is not the complete circle of influence of this inspiring young man—through those 10 people he was able to influence the lives of more than 100 others! The total activities established by participants of his study circles included 6 regular devotional gatherings, 3 children’s classes, and 1 additional study circle, which all together attracted a total of 104 participants. In addition, many of these friends are now taking part in teaching teams during collective teaching campaigns.
Clearly, the consecrated efforts of one individual had the power to change a community.
His three months of service turned into nine, and in the end he decided not to leave his post until an intensive program of growth had been firmly established.”
Need I say more?
From the time New Era school has been established there are cases of 500 conversions to the Faith. Countless others are sympathetic and support the cause by large donations – cash and kind.
My dear countrymen, be cautioned !!!!!
In this article I want to point out some of the predictions of the so called ‘Great Baha’i Leader’ Abdu’l Baha which never came true. All those predictions proved that he was a Fraud and a Great Liar.
Abdu’l Baha narrated in the book “Some Answered Questions” (Mofavezat) in the Chapter 11: Commentary on the Eleventh Chapter of the Revelation of St. John, page No.29 & 30.
“In each cycle the guardian and holy souls have been twelve. So Jacob had twelve sons; in the time of Moses there were heads or chiefs of the tribes; in the time of Christ there were twelve Apostles; and in the time of Mohammad there were twelve Imams. But in this glorious manifestation there are twenty-four, double the number of all the others, for the greatness of this manifestation requires it.”
It is clear from the above that Abdu’l Baha believed that the successors of the past prophets were twelve in number and the successors of Baha’u’llah will be Twenty Four as the manifestation of Baha’u’llah is a glorious manifestation. Abdu’l Baha himself was the first successor and he himself appointed the second successor and the guardian of Baha’i Faith in his life time to Shoghi Effendi. He has written in “Will and Testament” in many places in different manner. He has stated very clearly about the guardianship and different stations of Shoghi Effendi in his Will. Among all those stations the very important station is the Permanent Headship of the Universal House of Justice. Means the Universal House of Justice will always be headed by the Guardian of the faith. And remaining twenty two guardians, who will succeed to Shoghi Effendi, will be from the male children of Shoghi Effendi. Refer the Will and Testament of Abdu’l Baha:
“O my loving friends! After the passing away of this wronged one, it is incumbent upon the Aghsan (Branches), the Afnan (Twigs) of the Sacred Lote-Tree, the Hands (pillars) of the Cause of God and the loved ones of the Abha Beauty to turn unto Shoghi Effendi–the youthful branch branched from the two hallowed and sacred Lote-Trees and the fruit grown from the union of the two offshoots of the Tree of Holiness,–as he is the sign of God, the chosen branch, the Guardian of the Cause of God, he unto whom all the Aghsan, the Afnan, the Hands of the Cause of God and His loved ones must turn. He is the Interpreter of the Word of God and after him will succeed the first-born of his lineal descendents.
The sacred and youthful branch, the Guardian of the Cause of God, as well as the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and established, are both under the care and protection of the Abha Beauty, under the shelter and unerring guidance of the Exalted One (may my life be offered up for them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God. Whoso obeyeth him not; neither obeyeth them, hath not obeyed God; whoso rebelleth against him and against them hath rebelled against God… The mighty stronghold shall remain impregnable and safe through obedience to him who is the Guardian of the Cause of God. It is incumbent upon the members of the House of Justice, upon all the Aghsan, the Afnan, the Hands of the Cause of God to show their obedience, submissiveness and subordination unto the Guardian of the Cause of God, to turn unto him and be lowly before him. He that opposeth him hath opposed the True One, will make a breach in the Cause of God…
O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all worldly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the Guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words:–“The child is the secret essence of its sire,” that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the Guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him. The Hands of the Cause of God must elect from their own number nine persons that shall at all times be occupied in the important services in the work of the Guardian of the Cause of God. The election of these nine must be carried either unanimously or by majority from the company of the Hands of the Cause of God and these, whether unanimously or by a majority vote, must give their assent to the choice of the one whom the Guardian of the Cause of God hath chosen as his successor.
This assent must be given in such wise as the assenting and dissenting voices may not be distinguished (i.e., secret ballot).
Will and Testament of Abdu’l Baha, page No.11, 12 & 13.
By paying attention to the above writings of Abdu’l Baha it is clear that all these things are the hidden news (Akhbar e Ghaibi) from Abdu’l Baha as well as the constitution of the Baha’i Faith. The following results can be derived from the above text:
That in the life time of Shoghi Effendi who was the Guardian after Abdu’l Baha, the Universal House of Justice will be established. And it must be established.
That the Head of the Universal House of justice will be Shoghi Effendi and the members of UHJ who are the pillars of the cause of God should obey Shoghi Effendi and whoever disobeys him, disobeys the God. And Shoghi will rule over the Universal House of Justice while all the member of UHJ will be under him. Means Shoghi had the right of dictatorship.
That Shoghi will have a male child and his child will also have male child. Progeny of Shoghi will continue.
Guardianship after Shoghi Effendi will be fixed by his Will and it is incumbent upon him to appoint guardian in his life time.
That the guardianship must be in the male child of Shoghi Effendi means he should have first child as male and not the female (Because the women are having no right to be the member of Universal House of Justice then how they can be the head of the UHJ). And if his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character then must he (the guardian of Cause of God) choose another branch of Baha’u’llah (Aghsan) to succeed him.
God proved all these forecast wrong.
Shoghi Effendi died and Universal House of Justice could not be established. He died in the year 1957 in London and UHJ was established in the year 1963. This was the first lie of Abdu’l Baha.
There should be a head of the Universal House of Justice and must be the Guardian of Cause of God. Universal House of Justice of Haifa established without the guardian. This was the second lie of Abdu’l Baha.
This was the time when Baha’is divided in to different sects. Charles Mason Remey proclaimed himself the second guardian of the Baha’i Faith and wrote to Baha’i World that the Universal House of Justice should be established in his (Charles Mason Remey) guardianship. After his demise, group of Mason Remey divided into many groups but a major group of Remey is spread throughout the world and even in Inida. Head of this group Joel Bray Marangella lives in Australia. Many people have claimed as successor of Remey. Internet is the best source to know the details.
Shoghi Effendi died without a child (male and female). When his first born could not come into existence then what about his lineal descendents? This was the third lie of Abdu’l Baha.
Shoghi Effendi died without appointing his successor. Thus the disputes started among the Baha’is. Some of them like the goats and sheep attached with them, and gave their milk and skins to the Haifa and some of them scattered here and there and some of them joined Mason Remey, Jamsheed Maani, Neal Chase, Joel Marangella, Jacques Soghomonian and others. Presently there are seven or eight sects of Baha’is. Shoghi died without appointing his successor. This was the fourth lie of Abdu’l Baha.
In short the Wills of Abdu’l Baha humiliated and insulted him completely after about 45 years and made clear to everybody that he was a fraud and a big liar. All his commandments about Shoghi Effendi remained aside and establishment of Universal House of Justice caused the disputes and sects instead of unity and peace.
Surely God punishes and humiliates the liars.
Abdu’l Baha forecasted twenty four successors of Baha’u’llah. It ended with the first successor only. This was the fifth lie of Abdu’l Baha.
Fazil-i-Mazanderani in his book “Amr-u-Khalq” tried to darn and justify the fifth lie of Abdu’l Baha and wrote:
“The twenty four holy souls which are “Adilla-i-Ism-i-Azam” are 19 souls, 18 Huruf-i-Hayy (Letters of Living) and one is Primal Point (Bab) and five souls are hidden in Malakoot-i-Asrar. Wisdom demands not to mention it. It will be mentioned later.
(The title “Letters of the Living” (Huruf-i-Hayy) is used specifically to refer to the first eighteen followers of the Bab who became believers in his Revelation. Abdu’l Baha and Shoghi Effendi are not from Letters of Living).
It is surprising that Fazil e Mazanderani had included the Bab and eighteen Huruf-i-Hayy among the twenty four successors of Baha’u’llah while according to Baha’is Bab himself was a Manifestation. He was the Forerunner of Baha’u’llah. His advent was before Baha’u’llah and his cycle was ended before him.
He thought that by changing the word of guardians and holy souls (Ausiya and Asfiya) used by Abdu’l Baha as “Adilla-i-Ism-i-Aazam” will confuse the people and hide the lies of Abdu’l Baha.
Why he had hidden Abdu’l Baha and Shoghi Effendi along with those five souls? We do not know who will inform to the Baha’i World about those three souls after the death of Fazil-i-Mazanderani? In fact darning the words of Abdu’l Baha is to lessen the eloquence of the words of Abdu’l Baha.
Anyway from the above it is clear that whatever Abdu’l Baha forecasted all those forecasting became the cause of his humiliation. And guardianship could not continue even after the darning and justifications of Fazil-i-Mazanderani. Today Baha’is are fighting in this matter.
I hope the callers of “Independence Investigation of Truth” will independently investigate the truth.
Today (23 April 2012) is the 1st of the month of Baha’ (splendor) and so the beginning of the Year 165 of the Bayani calendar. Unlike the Baha’is who illogically calculate this calendar from the Naw-Ruz of 1844, according to the diary of the Bab Himself reproduced in the Book of the Five Grades (kitab panj sha’n), the Bayani calendar began as of March 20th 1850. Also unlike the Baha’is the Bayani calendar possesses no intercalary days to make up for the 365/366 solar year cycle deficiency. The calendar of the Bab follows a strict scheme of 361 days (19 x 19) so that the beginning of every new year falls on a different day than the one previous. This is because the Bayani calendar is supposed to reflect and symbolize the all-things/kullu-shay’ (19 x 19 = 361).
Given the occasion, I would like to here extend a heartfelt happy new Bayani Year to the Bayani community of Iran and abroad, and hope that our collective efforts to set the historical record straight against 146 years of orchestrated persecution by the Baha’i establishment with their anti-Bayani Baha’i propaganda and historical whitewashes – which the Western establishment has helped them diffuse – will finally begin to pay off.
This Year of 165 should be a significant year since 165 is the abjad numerical value of there is no god but God لا اله الا الله
Nima Wahid Azal
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