What is Baha’i Covenant ???

“The Headless Universal House of Justice was not a teaching of Baha’u’llah, ‘Abdu’l-Baha, or Shoghi Effendi. It was foisted on the Baha’is by Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Conclave of the Hands with the passing of Shoghi Effendi. The inquisition of the “Hands” Baha’i faith is notorious for its severities in its prophesied oppression of the believers forbidding them from independently investigating the truth of the material of their violation of the Covenant, with the ploy, or red herring, by naming those that are faithful to the Covenant as Covenant-breakers, and thus having them shunned. By this maneuver they keep their deluded followers from using their intellect that God gave them and the principle of the “Independent Investigation of the Truth” that Baha’u’llah gave them, so to keep them ignorant Covenant-breakers, and from establishing Justice in the world.”

Dr. Leland Jensen, Establisher of the Baha’i Faith

1. The Will & Testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha doesn’t state that the guardian must leave a will, just that he MUST appoint his successor “within his lifetime”

2. Nowhere in the Baha’i writings is Aghsan defined as a “blood descendant”, but rather as a son from the line of Baha’u’llah. An adopted son has all the rights & privelages of a natural son, including inheritance & kingship.

3. The Hands were a non-authoritative group. They had no power after the death of Shoghi Effendi


The Concluding Post of the Bahai Catholic Debate

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Originally Posted by arthra View Post
The Faith has been around a hundred and sixty years and arose amidst many enemies in the Middle East so is there any wonder there would be those who oppose it?

Within the Faith itself there is more unanimity than in most religions that are split into denominations..

Yes many have attempted to divide the Faith but the attempts failed. Every major change that has occurred a few have opposed it but they failed to cause significant schisms . . . .

– Art

You can argue that the attempts failed, Art, but they did their damage before they went down in flames. Shoghi Effendi left no stated successor and the first Hands of the Cause had to CB one of their own (Remey) who used to be so true to the faith.

I mean, really… think about it. Baha’u’llah is supposed to be the Manifestation of God. You’d think that at least he could keep his family in line. His brother fought him, his son’s brother fought him, his grandson’s own parents fought him (granted, his aunt stayed the course), and by the end of just two generations, every single member of Baha’u’llah’s family were declared CBs.

Common sense is whispering to me that if Shoghi Effendi’s relatives fought him, and Abdul Baha’s brother fought him, and Baha’u’llah’s brother fought him, it would stand to reason that Baha’u’llah fought the other Babis to come out ahead on the declaration of the Coming One.

Strife and discord are leagues deep in that family.

This debate can be accessed here
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=5962202


Will and Testament of Bab

The Will and Testament of the Bab

to

Subh-i Azal nominating Him as His Vicegerent and Successor

Translated from the Arabic by Wahid Azal

Bayan19 Publications © 2004

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Interesting Debate between Ex- Bahai and Haifan Bahais on Youtube

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Payam Mashrequi 4 months ago

AHAHAHAHAHA!!! YOU WASTED ALL YOUR TIME DOING THIS!??!!! PLEASE DUDE!!

DEFINITION OF BAHAI : THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN BAHA’ULLAH AND ABDUL BAHA AS HIS DECEDENT, THEN SHOGHI EFFENDI AS HIS AND UHJ AS HIS… THESE OTHER SECTS MAY EXIST BUT THEY AREN’T CONSIDERED BAHAIS AND YEAH OTHER THAN THESE ONES THEY ARE COVENANT BREAKERS AKA NOT A BAHA’I.. WHATS WITH THIS LONG STORY, STOP READING CRAP FROM THE INTERNET DUDE!

P.S. IF U DIDN’T APPROVE THIS COMMENT OF MINE, MSG ME. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 4 months ago

Thank you for your concern for me and my time. You are so good. The UHJ without a guardian as its chairperson is FAKE and BOUGS. It has no authority. Show me from the writings of Hossein Ali and Abbas Effendi where they clearly say that the UHJ will not have a guardian. Let’s see… if you have a clear proof. Read this article it is very important for you :

“Who Created the sects in Bahai Faith?” Google it and read it! Then come back here, we will discuss. I have many proofs to prove you wrong.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 4 months ago

And I do not reply to private messages. So write it here or come to my blog and put ur comments there. I do not censor comments.

Bahaism 6 months ago

Thank you Ron. I respect you. You seems to be a very decent person. Normally I interact with Fundamentalist Baha’is, their behavior is really very ugly and unbearable. This is the first time I am encountering a resolved Haifan like you! As you said that you are approaching 70 years, I wish you best for your remaining life. May you be guided towards the right path ‘Seratal Mostaqeem’. You are always welcome to my blog. I assure you we can have polite discussion. Best Regards
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

Dear Ron, I thank you for your concerns towards me. I have already left this cult. I am no more interested in this Hypocritical cult. I don’t correspond on emails. And I am really not interested in those 50 books of 80000 words. I really hate when any Baha’i speaks of numbers. 80000 words, millions bahais, most widespread religion, I really hate all this. You are most welcome to visit my blog (bahaism*blogspot*com) and write to me there. There is unlimited space and good atmosphere for everyone.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

Thank you. Ron.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

I have never heard of any divine religion that is registered under the ‘COMPANIES ACT’ or NGO in any country, its holy symbols registered as ‘TRADEMARKS’, Its holy writings COPYRIGHTED. It’s prophet’s name a ‘BRAND NAME’.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

Regarding the Christian Encyclopedia… Again when you want to prove something scholarly, please prove is from the best and most authentic source. I consider official Government Census of every country to be the best and most reliable source, which is not influenced by anything. And if these groups (Other Baha’i Sects) are really very leas and not bothering anybody then why drag them to Courts over alleged misuse of Baha’i Trademarks?
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

..so the fear makes them away from Questioning the institutions, otherwise I am a witness that there are many baha’is who do not accept the authority of UHJ as it is to be accepted. They do not consider the UHJ to be infallible. They see Mullah’ism in Baha’i cult, Religious Police interfering in private life of Baha’i card carrying members. They are fed-up with the administration but they do not dare to speak due to fear… that is why the number of Opposition Groups is less…
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

Because you talked about numbers, I have to take this issue too. The actual Haifan Baha’is are very less and so the opponents also very less in numbers. The practice of Shunning, Social Boycott and breaking of family ties are very strict punishments. Those born Baha’is fear all this stuff. Mr. Hosein Ali Nari said : Whatsoever hath led the children of men 2 shun 1 another, & hath caused dissensions & divisions amongst them, hath, through d revelation of these words, been nullified & abolished.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

So, Sir, For you Wikipedia is more reliable than the Government Census?! See this bahaicensusindia*blogspot*com (change asterisk to dot).
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

Again your number of 100 thousand is a joke. Where are 100 Thousand Baha’is please prove with credible evidences. Preferably Government documents. For your information please see this : bahaicensusindia*blogspot*com (change asterisk to dot).
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

…Baha’is, they are all Hindus. They still believes in their Gods. Their are some Sikhs and they too wear their turbans and call them Baha’is. I visited Golistans in India’s major cities and I saw a very few graves with dates some 10 years old some 20 years old and a few 1 or 2 years old. Where r believers of Baha’u’llah? They r not even in Golistans!. They are only in the SRPs. 100s new addresses are entered every month but 1000s have already left by then. You guys claim 2.2 million in India.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 6 months ago

You are right Ron. It gives publicity to everyone. I am an Ex-Baha’i and I have traveled to many parts of the world and visited many Baha’i communities when I was active. What I noticed was there were ‘NO BAHA’IS’ in the world. When I say No Baha’is, it means a very few Baha’is. scattered here and there. I visited Wilmette Temple and there was no one there. Not even a single visitor. I was alone with my friend. The country where there r some Baha’is is India. But u know they are not actually….
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MrSIKREV1 .

MrSIKREV1 . 7 months ago

are the baha’is liars that want too take over the world?

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Bahaism

Bahaism 11 months ago

And It is Haifan UHJ that has deviated majority of Baha’is according to other denominations. Have you ever bothered to read their literature? I have read it and how logical it is!!!! It is this deviated haifan UHJ that has put prohibition on the Baha’is to read their literature. The so called proponents of “Independent Investigation of Truth”!!!!
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Bahaism

Bahaism 11 months ago

iranians know that. If you are a Western Baha’i then you are being fooled by these people. In fact they are exploiting your simplicity and extracting you money and using your energy for their political gains. Where is the “complete translation” of the book BAYAN? Why it is not available? If you read it fully, you will understand why muslims hate this evil cult.
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Anis Ettehadulhagh

Anis Ettehadulhagh 1 year ago

There is only one God, one Baha’i Faith, (from Bab to Universal House of Justice) and one human race. Ya Baha’u’llah-Abha!

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Bahaism

Bahaism 1 year ago

There is only one God = TRUE

One Baha’i Faith = FALSE

One Human Race = TRUE

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DivineFellowship

DivineFellowship 1 year ago

BahaiFace●com
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OneWorldBore

OneWorldBore 1 year ago

I like the Reform Baha’is and the Aqdasi Baha’is the best.
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TheNinjaMetalero

TheNinjaMetalero 1 year ago

okay do not answer to personal messages and i’m not a extremist Baha’i you moron I’m a Atheist who sees rationality in the Baha’i faith, you should approve the quote of the holy koran that i let you as comment, it seems that the only think you know how to do is pick and choose, as for me, i will stop bother myself discussing something with a person like you, I hope Baha’u’llah and your “God” had mercy upon you.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 1 year ago

I will not call you a moron. May be you are taught to use this kind of words in your Ruhi Book 8 with those who do not agree with your views. And I don’t want do discuss Koran here. If you want to discuss Koran and its Verses please go to some Islamic Forum and have an open discussion. What I am repeatedly trying to say you is to come to my blog and have a discussion on Baha’i faith. You choose a topic and discuss that particular issue. Please.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 1 year ago

This is what you wrote to me in your personal message : “let’s go to a Baha’i forum that is had not being created by you, there I will challenge the stupidities written in your blog and you can challenge my faith with what in the writings is call “poison” XD”

My response :

I told you not to send any personal messages, I don’t respond to it. But this is something I would like to respond to. I and my friends have posted many times on such Forums that…
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Bahaism

Bahaism 1 year ago

… are controlled by Baha’is, but they delete our posts and Ban us. They even make a lobby against us when we are on Christian forums or any other forums. If you are really sincere in having a good debate then please come to a platform that is neither controlled by me or my friends or the BIC. You can come to – talk.religion.bahai – usenet group which is a neutral platform and have a debate. Let’s see your sincerity. & why are u afraid to comment on my Blog?
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dannyOdr

dannyOdr 11 months ago

I agree with @TheNinjaMetalero rather that looking at very small statements within the baha’i writings take all the writings and they situation in which they were written into consideration. Also these people that claim to be the leaders of the true “Baha’i” religion clearly don’t understand the teachings either, there is only one baha’i faith and thats it.
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Bahaism

Bahaism 11 months ago

My dear you don’t have access to original writings of Bab and Baha’u’llah. Do you access to the manuscripts of Bab and Bahaullah. How many writings of these two have been published by the UHJ? When was the first official translation of Kitab-i-Aqdas was completed? Aftwer how many years? Why not other books been translated? Why not the original manuscripts being published? The persians and the arabs can easily read the handwritings. Actually these writings are full of rubbish. The arabs and…..
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Association of Abbas Effendi With Colonel Badri Beg

bahai pilgrimage Abbud's house

Abbud’s House, where Abdul Baha kept the notorious prostitute.

This officer was a staff Colonel and associated with military & civil functionaries. He had a beautiful step daughter, the child of his wife by former marriage, who gathered young men around her.

Colonel Badri Beg hired a house at Haifa to spend the summer season there. He attended evening parties of the French Consul and leading members of the [Arab] Christian community. They engaged themselves in gambling.

The Most Great Branch [Sir Abbas Effendi] met all the [gambling] losses of the Beg, and provided for the upkeep of the [Beg’s] house, and for the expenses of the [Beg’s] step daughter. Thus the step daughter came to have plenty opportunity. She became familiar with a good looking Italian man. At night they met together and indulged themselves in love affair.

Some people became aware of the affair and advised the Beg to send the family to Acre. As the Beg himself had connection with the girl, and could not send her away from him. He disregarded the advice.

Eventually the Beg came to know about the affair and this roused his jealousy. One evening the Beg detailed two soldiers to go and deliver a message to the Italian young man on behest of the girl to come & see her at night. The house was unattended. The occupant had gone to Acre. As soon as the Italian young man came into the house & seated himself in the drawing room, the two soldiers appeared at the scene, caught hold of him, strangled him to death, stuffed up his throat with a long piece of rag, took him away and cast him into the sea.

In their hurry & bustle, they did not tie a stone to his foot to keep the corpse at the bottom of the sea.
In the morning his mother and relatives begun to search for the young man. Finally the young man’s body was discovered near the sea shore, strangled to death.

The incident set people’s tongue wagging. His mother and relatives raised a tumult in Haifa. They held Badri Beg responsible for the incident and brought an action against him and also against [Sir] Abbas Effendi because he came to Haifa after and frequented the Beg’s house.”

I realised that the allegation against the Most Great Branch [Sir] Abbas Effendi reflected on the whole family. By strong arguments and proof I applied myself to proving that it was impossible for him to have been involved in the matter. I called on members of the bereaved family to offer my condolences. I seised the opportunity to convince them that my brother [Sir] Abbas Effendi had not taken part at all in the matter. The mother of the deceased replied: “If he had not taken part in the matter, and had no connection with the girl, why did he take her to his own home in Acre?” I endeavoured as far as possible to exonerate the Most Great Branch [Sir] Abbas Effendi as the allegation reflected on the family as well as on Baha’s name. But I did not expect that he would take her to his own house. I went to Acre to see what had happened. I enquired from the Baha’is and others. I found out that he had put up the notorious prostitute girl in his own house, the ‘Abbud-House’, which was the dwelling place of the Blessed Beauty [i.e. Baha], exalted be his power, before his ascension [i.e. death].

(ص 77 – 76) « حال حسب الوعده مختصری از احوال و اخلاق بدری بیک و مصاحبتش با غصن اعظم می نویسم … من جمله این بدری بیک چون میر آلای ارکان حزب بود و با افراد عسگریه و ملکیه مخالف بود … تفصیل این که بدری یک دختری از شوهر اولای زنش داشت یعنی نا دختری او بود و چون منظری زیبا داشت جوانان را دور خود جمع میکرد … بیک مذکور در حیفا منزلی گرفت برای صیفیه و شبها با قنسول فرانسه و بعصی از بزرگان طائفه مسیحیه شب نشینی میکردند و به قمار بازی مشغول بودند و همه خسائر بیک مذکور را غصن اعظم میدادند و همچنین مصارف آن دختر و بیش را. دختر مجالی واسع بدست آورد با جوانی زیبا طلیانی الفت نموده شبها جمع میشدند و بعشق بازی مشغول بودند این کار کار عشق است دخلی به دین ندارد دختر مسلمه جوان مسیحی، بعضی مطلع شدند و به بدری بیک نصیحت کردند عائله را به عکا فرستد ولی چون خود او به این دختر علاقه داشت و نمیخواست از خود دور کند نصیحت ناصحان را اهمیت نداد تا آنکه از عالقه دختر به جوان طلیانی مطلع شد غیرتش حرکت کرد یک شب دو نفر از عسکریه را میفرستد برای جوان از لسان دختر پیغام میدهند شب بیاید در منزل کسی نبود رفته بودند به عکا آن بیچاره می آید به مجرد وصول و جلوس در سالون آن دو نفر داخل میشوند و او را میگیرند و خفه میکنند و جل زیادی در گلوی او میکنند و میبرند به دریا می اندازند از عجله سنگی به پای او نمی بندند که در قعر دریا او را نگاه داشته باشند فردای آن روز مادر و اقرباش عقب او میگردند بالاخره او را خفه کرده در کنار دریا پیدا میکنند چون اکثری علاقه او را به آن دختر داشتند … او را نصیحت میکردند ترک کند ولی دختر مجال نمیداد قول ناصحان تأثیر نماید و او را به جاذبیه که داشت جذب مینمود قال و قیل فوق العاده در حیفا بلند مادر و اقرباش قیامت بر پا کردند و بدری بیک را مسئول نمودند و اقامه دعوی کردند و همچنین عباس افندی را چون خیلی می آمدند به حیفا و منزل او میرفتند این نگارنده دیدم اتهام غصن اعظم عباس به جهت همه عائله بدست بدلائل و براهین قویه اثبات میکردم که ممکن نیست در امر او مداخله کنند حتی چون یکوقتی ما در منزل آنان نشسته بودیم و بسیار محبت میکردند رفتم به تعزیه آنان به مناسبت اقناح کردم که ابداً برادر عباس افندی در آن امر اشتراکی نداشتند مادرش گفت اگر اشتراکی نداشتند و با دختر علاقه نداشتند چرا دختر را به منزل خود در عکا بردند … این نگارنده به قدر امکان چون به جهت عائله و اسم جمال مبارک بد بود برائت غصن اعظم عباس افندی کوشیدم ولی گمان نمیکردم که او را منزل خود ببرند رفتم به عکا ببینم چه شده سئال از بعضی بهائیان و غیره نمودم معلوم شد در منزل خود که منزل عبود مسکن جمال مبارک جل شانه بود قبل از صعود دختر فاحشه مطروده را منزل داده اند
From : The Memoirs of Badiullah [The Most Luminous Branch (غصن انور) ] Baha’u’llah’s Youngest Son
http://www.bayanic.com/notes/memoirs/memoirs.html